Death by coronavirus or death by quarantine ?

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Death by coronavirus or death by quarantine ?


First of all, I wonder about the trillions, billions, tens of millions with which the markets are flooded. One wonderful straw fire after another. It is uncertain what percentage of loss the shareholder will ultimately be left sitting on, but it will probably not be a super stock year.


Besides, at some point the stupidest person asks himself where the money actually comes from. Well, it's not even coming out of the printing press anymore. A simple click of the computer and billions flow. This works until the general public asks itself, what is the money actually still worth? Then precious metals are bought and real estate. Some buy toilet paper.


But back to the topic: Death by coronavirus or death by quarantine?


To make it clearer, the more severe a quarantine is and the longer it lasts, the more victims there are. Extreme example, with a zero supply of the population (super quarantine) a large part would die of hunger after a few weeks.


The current, comparatively loose quarantine affects mainly the small traders. Those who were already clammy anyway are now crossing the Jordan River, initially only on business. Then there are some who are so indebted that they cannot afford unemployment. Well, there is short-time work compensation, but also not unlimited. Anyway, who really believes that the state can absorb all the quarantine-related problems?


Then there are the domestic problems caused by confinement. You can put that away for a few weeks. But for months? That's when it really kicks in. Or else, it'll be very quiet. Dead quiet.


So the government is asked how much quarantine is necessary and how much quarantine is reasonable. Where does the advantage of quarantine end and when does the damage outweigh the benefit?


There is also the famous herd immunity. This means that the number of infections decreases when about 70% of the population is infected. Have you ever calculated how long it takes for a worldwide herd immunity to develop? It's years. Without quarantine.
With quarantine, more people will probably starve to death than die from the virus. So let's forget about herd immunity for now.


There is hope in certain drugs. Something might happen in the next few months.
Personally, I prefer the Korean model. It seems to be working. Great respect for the virus and appropriate measures with a cautious relaxation of quarantine. The "virus lock" will only be opened to the extent that the health system can tolerate it. A kind of balance between human activity and the virus.


Let's see.


Finally, I'd like to look at America. It will probably be decided in the next two weeks whether we go down the drain or not.

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AW: Death by coronavirus or death by quarantine ?

I didn't understand everything you were writing. But quarantine is not a cure-all. Maybe even the worse disease like the virus. You are absolutely right, it is a matter of time. What happens if you stay in quarantine for months? Business goes bust. The state helps !? Haha ! Our state is not even able to get enough protective masks for the policemen. Now the policemen want to stop the controls if they don't get protective masks. What I can understand very well.

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AW: Death by coronavirus or death by quarantine ?

Death by coronavirus or death by quarantine ? I ask myself the same question. The brutal economic downturn is creating new problems. Politicians don't like to take responsibility. If there's no quarantine in place, more people will die. That's what the politicians are afraid of.


When a million refugees stood at the gates of Europe, politicians shied away from tough measures. The result was a political shift to the right, overcrowded reception centres, dissatisfied citizens, strain on the social system, etc. And, worst of all, the problem was not even remotely solved.
When Erdogan noticed that the refugees in the camps were infected or threatened with disaster, he sent them to Greece. At the moment the Corona crisis is covering up the news from the border and the camps. But, the problem still exists and will continue to exist if politicians don't kick their own asses and take unpopular measures.


The same goes for the corona crisis.


What we see are individual towns or estates where the virus is raging and we are glad it hasn't hit us. But, that can, indeed, will change. We are at the beginning of a pandemic, at the end of which there will be half a million dead or more. Add to that immense economic difficulties. And I agree with Immo, the economic problems will probably have more far-reaching consequences than the corona crisis itself. Perhaps it would be better to risk a few more deaths, not to stop the economy so brutally and to adapt the quarantine to the circumstances. When I see police officers walking around without masks, I know the system is failing. Everyone who moves in public places should wear a mask. It is believed that a distance of 1.5 m prevents infection. Exactly the same experts who consider this distance sufficient have found that when sneezing droplets fly up to 7 meters. So what is the lie?


With a mask, depending on the quality, the droplets fly a maximum of one meter. So, two metres apart and a mask. That would actually reduce the risk of infection. Only 1.5 meters distance without a mask is psychological wishy-washy.
Sometimes I have the impression that this crisis is deliberate, if not planned. If 30% of the "old people" and the cost-intensive risk patients die, the social system (pensions, health insurance, etc.) will be permanently relieved. The current costs for the treatment of infected persons are relatively low. A simple calculation.
In addition, the crisis offers the opportunity to redistribute money and undermine existing laws / civil rights. I don't want to think about this any further or get the forum into trouble.
Incidentally, Compliance and Anna have already commented on this in detail.